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The Laz Word...On Kim Cattrall

Any dissent will be shouted down, says Larry Neild

Written by . Published on November 25th 2014.


The Laz Word...On Kim Cattrall
 

 THE war of words over Sefton Park meadowlands between Sex And The City star Kim Cattrall and Mayor Anderson highlights one thing.

Dissent to any proposals by the ruling Labour administration will be shouted down, no matter where howls of protest come from.


 If certain councillors are not minded to read the paperback version of Sex And The City, perhaps they could leaf their way through Dale Carnegie's advice book, How to Win Friends and Influence People


Earlier this month, for the first time ever, the combined opposition councillors in the council chamber, all 10 of them, joined forces to attack the proposed sale of the Meadowlands, the handing of Walton Hall Park (possibly) to Everton FC, and a list of open spaces earmarked for residential developments (possibly). 

Not only were the 10 hung, drawn and quartered, verbally, by some Labour members, party faithfuls took to social networks to attack the messengers, including Liverpool Confidential. 

Maybe Labour feel that as they have four-fifths of the seats in the council chamber, everything they do, say or propose is unchallengeable by anybody, anywhere, anytime.

In a democracy people have the right to question and challenge, express their views and opinions, and they have the right to be ‘wrong'.

If certain Labour councillors are not minded to read the paperback version of Sex And The City, perhaps they could leaf their way through Dale Carnegie's advice book, How to Win Friends and Influence People.

People in this city are well aware of the financial constraints imposed on Liverpool as a result of the drastic cuts ordered by the Coalition Government.

People appreciate difficult decisions are being made. But even when the great unwashed of Liverpool dared to question the need to close 11 public libraries, the literary war of words ensued. 

When there was a last minute change of heart, with the libraries given a reprieve, the message from Dale Street was loud and clear - it was not a u-turn, nor a case of 'people power’.

What's wrong with people power? When the councillors stand shoulder-to-shoulder with citizens to protest about spending cuts, that is people power in action.

Come next May the Labour ranks in the council chamber could be even bigger, perhaps leaving the opposition with so few memebers they could hold their meetings in a phone box.

Where can the people turn to if they have opinions, especially if those opinions conflict with what the city's rulers have decreed? 

People from Liverpool have spread their wings to every corner of the globe, but that doesn't deny them the right to be proud, and vocal scousers.

Kim Cattrall's views about Sefton Park's meadowland are as valid as those of anybody, whether they are a councillor, a mayor, or a resident of this city. 

How many councillors involved in the future of this city were born here? The various accents in the council chamber indicate many have moved here from other places, and most welcome they are too.

It was the English writer Evelyn Beatric Hall who, just over a century ago, penned those famous words often quoted to defend the principle of free speech.

" I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," she wrote. Perhaps an updated version may have to add the rider ... but not if you are in Liverpool.

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48 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

AnonymousNovember 25th 2014.

I thought that was Voltaire actually but the point stands. Well said Larry!

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Joey BartonNovember 25th 2014.

Well you thought wrong.

Damian RigbyNovember 25th 2014.

Well said, Larry.

SaladDazeNovember 25th 2014.

What a pity all that Andersonian-esque anger and sarcasm has not been directed where it belongs: at the Tories and bankers who constitute the problem.

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Professor CodmanNovember 26th 2014.

That is the entire problem with politicians

AnonymousNovember 25th 2014.

Sits back and waits for the usual suspects to kick off. On the nail Larry. And it's a sad situation. Too much power in one pair of hands and all debate stifled, no accountability, no scrutiny, no openness, just contempt for any alternative opinion, insults and shouting down anyone who dares to question.

Rosemary DomanNovember 25th 2014.

Quite, anonymous. The Liverpool City Council aren't dummies - or are they? Whatever the constraints - and the cut-backs have been imposed across the country - the Council have the duty and responsibility to manage as fairly as possible the resources they do have. And they equally have the duty and responsibility to listen to fellow councillors and residents with respect, whether or not they agree or whether or not those dissident views conflict with Council policies. The first measure dictators take when they get into power is to quash opposition and blame the problems of the current political situation for their heavy handed handling of dissent. Are we living in a democracy or what? Apparently not, in Liverpool! Keep on fighting for the green spaces in your area - and long live 'people power'!

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AnonymousNovember 25th 2014.

This is surely yet another opportunity for the Greens and other "not the big 3" parties to get their act together and increase the number of councillors they have, come April. People voted for Anderson because he's Labour, and they see Labour as fighting the Coalition. But it is now crystal clear that nationally they are out of touch and locally they are bullies, implementing policies for which they have no mandate whatsoever, in the guise of implementing the cuts. Labour central office doesn't appear to care about this, either. People here quite rightly have no time for UKIP - they want progressive policies and politicians. So I really wish the Greens would get the message out that they are not just about alternative energy and green spaces (important those these things are), but have a full range of policies for local government. Then people might feel they have a real alternative to vote for.

Green TambourineNovember 25th 2014.

Power to the people! And the WILDLIFE

AnonymousNovember 25th 2014.

Does the Mayor offer a list of the green spaces he is so proud of having allegedly created, perhaps he should share them on a photo spread to give weight to his argument. I'd certainly like to see them and compare them to the part of Sefton Park, Calderstones, Walton Hall Park, Newsham Park and Woolton Green that he is happy to sell to developers. Only some unkind people are suggesting that the spaces he is talking about are simply house clearance sites and the subsequent waste grounds where the developers have failed to materialise. Show us the spaces?

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Urban BlighterNovember 25th 2014.

His green spaces will be those scrubby derelict bits where solid buildings and homes once stood once stood.

Josie MullenNovember 25th 2014.

I think the green spaces he has supposedly created are something to do with Alt Valley - and this was done in conjunction with other bodies. Anonymous summed the situation up very well as did Rosemary. Yes I agree about the Greens. I'm sure the people in their wards would agree that the Green councillors are very hard-working. I don't think that anyone ( except Anderson and the Labour councillors) would disagree that, at a national and local level, people want a leader and councillors who are open and honest, who consult local people on all important matters that affect their lives, that don't hide important reports or try and belittle people who disagree with them. Is that so impossible!!!!!!!!

Ramsey CampbellNovember 25th 2014.

At noon on Thursday Will Batchelor, yet again occupying Roger Phillips' chair, will host a phone-in with Joe Anderson in the studio on BBC Radio Merseyside.

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AnonymousNovember 25th 2014.

And, your point?

AnonymousNovember 26th 2014.

Don't hold your breath. Radio Merseyside has become the official propaganda wing of the Liverpool Labour Party, aided by Brigadier Philips and Corporal Batchelor. Wonder how long it will be before the Brigadier is made a freeman of the city

Ramsey CampbellNovember 26th 2014.

My point was that if people want to question Mr Anderson, there's a chance. I assume some of the people posting here might like to. I don't agree that Roger lets him go unquestioned - indeed, he was recently audibly annoyed by Roger's line of questioning.

SweepNovember 26th 2014.

Is that why Will Batchelor is being lined up then?

AnonymousNovember 26th 2014.

The problem is that he is audibly annoyed by every question anyone asks him. close minded and dictatorial.

RobertNovember 26th 2014.

Local BBC - voice of the Joe Stalin elected mayor machine. Roger Philips is completely inept, impotent, puddled in the head and does not press on Joe Stalin in the slightest. As for Will Batchelor, get off the fence you light touch radio host.

Ramsey CampbellNovember 26th 2014.

Surely it's Pete Price who lets Mr Anderson go unquestioned, not Roger.

John BradleyNovember 26th 2014.

Pete & Joe are signed up member of the scalocracy.

John BradleyNovember 26th 2014.

Those "scrubby derelict bit" probably contain more wildlife than the sterile Sefton Park meadows. What the people here who talk about consultation what is not consultation, but a right of veto. Any consultation where they do not get their way is only a sham. At least 1 of the gang of ten was a senior councillor in the governing party, when the buildings on Mann Island that the antis hate where approved. They have jumped on this as a convenient passing band wagon, when it appears to be more of a mirage created by the hot air of a few loud voices on twitter. In the great annals of Liverpool leaders, all the recent ones had the ability to unnerve large parts of the population and some managed to get convicted of some criminal electoral misbehaviour and Storey was just creepy.

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AnonymousNovember 26th 2014.

John its not about the meadows its about his refusal to listen and lack of effective opposition on all issues. he might be right about the meadows but his attitude to alternative views is awful.

John BradleyNovember 26th 2014.

In terms of personality flaws I don't think they are any worse the most of his predecessors. He gets on my nerves and has been personally abusive to me, to the extent that I have a complaint in against him. However, when it comes to a lot of the arguments about the likes of the meadows the logic of those opposing is deeply flawed and in a lot of cases just as high handed and arrogant. Using someone flaws to oppose a plan is playing the man not the ball.

AnonymousNovember 27th 2014.

The point of the article is to address his flaws, the meadows is just an example being used.

AnonymousNovember 26th 2014.

Inimitable Bradley - unsubstantiated assertions, idiotic non sequiturs, and rants. Please go away, or, failing that, stop using predictive text.

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John BradleyNovember 26th 2014.

Are the return of the coward.

SootyNovember 26th 2014.

oh god! Will Batchelor...he's worse than Roger Phillips..and I totally agree they are all mates with Joe and dont stay neutral...its predictable what will happen. However I'm thrilled this has now made its way on to the express, the mail, the independent and the telegraph..the national press is something Kim Joe Un has no control over....he must be livid

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SweepNovember 26th 2014.

Hilarious!

RobertNovember 26th 2014.

Kim Joe Un hahahahaha. Boris Pickles we have him down as..

Julie PolandNovember 26th 2014.

Does Kim pay council tax to Liverpool? If not what's it got to do with her?

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Ramsey CampbellNovember 26th 2014.

I suppose on that argument I've no right to a view on libraries in Liverpool.

Julie PolandNovember 26th 2014.

Do you pay towards them? If not, then you do not really have the right to argue. It is the people of Liverpool that suffer from these particular cuts. Just like it is not for me to give opinions on services that I do not contribute to. If you use the library in Liverpool and live out of the area then I am afraid you have little say in the matter. When the Coalition change their attitude, maybe I will. If there is a way to ensure services for the elderly and vulnerable, children suffering from mental and physical abuse etc. were available without hard decisions being made elsewhere then I am sure the councillors would love to hear about it.

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Ramsey CampbellNovember 26th 2014.

I don't, I'm afraid. I used to but now live across the Mersey. I do have my name on a plaque on the walls of two libraries, but that's a bit of an embarrassment in the present economic situation.

AnonymousNovember 26th 2014.

I know about the one in Sefton Park library. Where is the other plaque? As for opinions. Opinions are free. The council doesn't have to act on them. It shouldn't matter if important cultural figures such as Kim Catteral and Ramsey Campbell express them. For sure no one should take offense with anything they have said. Whenever Kim appears in a Broadway play or Ramsey speaks at a US horror convention they do this city proud. I suggest there are a number of Labour concillors suffering a lot of stress from their responsibilities. I think if they took an extended break from their responsibilities they would feel a lot less angry. (Ramsey, my brother is enjoying The Face That Must Die, you might have a new fan)

Ramsey CampbellNovember 27th 2014.

The other plaque - it's on the writers' wall at Central Library. Say hello to your brother for me!

Julie PolandNovember 26th 2014.

I have my name on toilet bog walls but does not mean I have a say in what goes down them! I signed the petition not to close the libraries down, even though I do not use them, other people in Liverpool need them and I pay my council tax so have my say that way. Still don't know what it's got to do with Kim do dah though.

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AnonymousNovember 27th 2014.

And what shape would the world be in if we only had opinions and views on the locality in which we pay taxes, or the facilities we use?

MeNovember 26th 2014.

Julie your surname is Poland which is another country..you have no right to have an opinion on any of these matters....ridiculous? yes as stupid as saying kim has no right to an opinion. By the way if she would have been for the sale..she would have been joes best mate.." rrrrr she hasnt forgotten her roots..blah blah" her opinion then would have been valid..

mickeydrippin'November 26th 2014.

We have to face the fact that the ConDem government has decreed that all Councils have to look at ways of both cutting costs and looking at land for potential new housing. Any decisions and suggestions that Joe and his cohorts make, produce rigorous opposition from resident groups and other objectors. However, whilst the majority of citizens will agree that Liverpool has to provide new housing and - at the same time - find savings, the vocal objectors never voice any alternatives to the plans put forward by the Council. Perhaps if those who are against the Sefton Park "meadows" and Walton Hall Park developments would pinpoint serious alternative sites, where top-of-the-range housing and a new stadium for Everton could be built, then I am sure that Joe would listen.

SootyNovember 26th 2014.

haha are you serious he blocks everyone on twitter..there is even a twitter page for everyone hes blocked its that bad

AnonymousNovember 26th 2014.

The site of the former Kelton Convent is approx a quarter of a mile from Sefton Park Meadows, and is earmarked in the "Strategic Housing Land Availability" document of the Council as suitable for up to 40 houses. I'm sure an inventive developer could utilise this site to create "top of the range" housing as an alternative to destroying the meadows

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mickeydrippin'November 26th 2014.

Development of the former convent Kelton Grange into a luxury apartment complex by Appletree Estates was mentioned in the Sunday Echo (23 Nov). It is a Grade 11 listed Georgian building but the Victorian extension could demolished. However, no doubt someone will object.

AnonymousNovember 29th 2014.

If Joe Anderson wants executive homes and the council tax from them, build the executive homes on the North Docks and create a luxury executive village and marina for their boats and yachts and all the infrastructure that goes with it. Tell Peel Holdings to stop playing make believe about Liverpool Waters, which is nothing more than a drawing and some pretend Chinese investors. A huge Riverfront Executive area and water park. It would be lovely. They can be gated as well to stop us riff raff from getting in. Then maybe we could keep the green space we have and the people of North Liverpool could keep their park. To even think of building a bloody football stadium on a public park in a deprived area is as obscene as the cuts. Of course you will need to find all of these wealthy executives, maybe they can do the search at the same time as looking for tenants to occupy the Cunard building.

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Harry CorbettNovember 29th 2014.

Spot on anonymous. The plan to build on the Meadows shows a singular lack of imagination. If Uncle Joe had any vision at all he would be targeting places like the north docks or Smithdown Road. The Titanic Hotel looks lovely but it is in a wasteland. Anderson, the man who connived so hard to make Warren (The Fireman) Bradley look like an idiot, is a bigger fool. His builder mates are running rings around him and he can't see it.

John BradleyNovember 29th 2014.

You also need to find someone to fund it. The council will not spend a Penny on Sefton Meadows and will be paid for the land. The plans that people put forward as alternatives show a singular lack of practicality.

AnonymousNovember 30th 2014.

I thought the council view was that the meadows is only used for dogs to spend a penny. Which makes it even more horrible that Mayor Anderson made his poor grand child go and sit in dog sh*te for a photo, just to score a cheap political point (although perhaps not as cheap as that one)

AnonymousNovember 30th 2014.

So anyway, the gist of it all is that if you live near the affected areas and oppose the plans to flog them to developers, you are a NIMBY. If you don't live anywhere near the areas but still feel strongly enough to oppose the proposals, as a matter of principle, then you are an OUTSIDER with no right to voice your opinion or stick your nose in. So much for reasoned debate and democracy. I suppose I should have supported Tony Blair in bombing Iraq as I didn't pay council tax to Baghdad. So it was nothing to do with me. I suppose I shouldn't give any help to or be concerned about the Ebola victims I don't pay my council tax to Sierra Leone. I think we are missing another trick here...what's the budget for our Emergency services....I hope we are not responding to 999 calls from people who don't pay their council tax to Liverpool. Go and bleed on your own streets!

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