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'New St Julie's school will cause chaos and danger'

Battle of Woolton Hill comes to door of Mayor Joe

Written by . Published on May 30th 2014.


'New St Julie's school will cause chaos and danger'
 

THE Battle of Woolton Hill was taken to Mayor Anderson’s front door today. 

Villagers converged on Millennium House to protest about proposals to build a replacement St Julie’s School on a site adjoining the St Francis Xavier school on Beaconsfield Road.

They went home with the promise of a face-to-face meeting with the mayor within the next few weeks. 

Campaigner Pauline Roy was  given the chance to make a 15-minute speech to tell the mayor and his cabinet members why the proposed site in Beaconsfield Road, Woolton, will be a disaster for the village. 

The residents deny they are NIMBYs, saying there is a real fear that the concentrated chaos caused by several thousand pupils, the cars of their parents and hundreds of teachers will create a perilous safety issue. 

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St Julie’s, formerly Notre Dame, currently sits at the opposite end of Woolton village, in Speke Road. The current proposal is to build a brand new school close to SFX, with an entrance onto Menlove Avenue.  The land that St Julie's currently sits on would be sold off to housing developers to fund the new build.

One proposal, currently on hold, is to take a slice off Calderstones Park - at the corner or Menlove Avenue and Yew Tree Road - to create a “drop and stride” point for parents on the school run. 

Locals fear such a scheme would mean hundreds of children being forced to cross the busy dual carriageway at peak times. 

One campaigner said: "Whether it comes up in the future, we just don't know." 

Ms Roy told Liverpool Confidential: "We welcome the scheme to rebuild our schools to provide high quality facilities for the children of Liverpool.  But anybody who knows the Woolton area well will realise the current proposal is totally unacceptable. 

“Even if they configure the site to create new entrances for SFX and St Julie's. it will mean more than 2,000 students and hundreds of staff from the two schools converging on what is an island site surrounded by busy road. 

The Woolton  Hill campaigners called for St Julie's to take-over Parklands school in Speke, which is to be closed down at the end of this term. Many of the students from Parklands will be switched to St Julie's.  

Moving for a temporary period to Speke would, they say, enable St Julie's to be rebuilt on its current site. 



Ms Roy said: "We spoke at length with Mayor Anderson, after we expected to have to remain silent because of the protocols. 

“He changed the meeting, of his own volition, to speak with us and has granted us a meeting with him - probably within the next two weeks. This is exactly what we wanted. 

“We just hope when we fully explain things to the mayor he will realise the points we are making." 

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AnonymousJune 1st 2014.

Well done to the people of Woolton for at least getting the mayor to listen. But could their moment of glory be a poisoned chalice? The Council could say, thanks Woolton for your input, we listened carefully to every word they said, but the Beaconsfield site is the best site for St Julie's. This is a real test of the highly trumpeted, listening to people, listening to the communities.

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AnonymousJune 1st 2014.

That's undoubtedly what will happen as they quietly concrete over part of Calderstones Park.

John BradleyJune 1st 2014.

You confuse listening to people with doing what they want. The more of a marginal seat Woolton is the more the residents will be accommodated.

AnonymousJune 1st 2014.

Who cares about Woolton? It's hardly a threat to the balance of political power.

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John BradleyJune 3rd 2014.

Sorry Miss.

Mr QuelchJune 4th 2014.

You again Bradders? Outside my study at four o'clock!

John BradleyJune 4th 2014.

Can't Sir, seeing Principal Lewis then, to do 100 lines.

Mr QuelchJune 4th 2014.

No such word as "can't"! You will write one million lines by noon tomorrow.

Flash HarryJune 2nd 2014.

Don't understand why they can't just move into a brand new empty school (Parklands) for two years while they do the old one up. It is only up the road in Speke. Surely this makes sense. What is the problem?

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Bob the (PFI) BuilderJune 2nd 2014.

But does it make financial sense?

PFI FridayJune 4th 2014.

Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha! Oh please excuse me, I'm just on my way to the bank! Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha! etc.

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

While you are at the bank why don't you ask them how school funding works, they may know. You obviously do not have a clue. Then, why don't you work out how you will tell teachers, many of whom live around SFX , that they will get the sack when they go to Parklands coz there is no money to pay them. So ironic, you would protect your own home so that your neighbour gets made redundant. Ha ha ha ha, NOT!!! But then you probably dont worry about your trips to the bank Sir PFI Friday. :(

SandraJune 3rd 2014.

Mayor Anderson confirmed last Friday that he too wanted st Julie's to move into parklands but the school didn't want to as they don't want to move to speke. Surprising that the school have more say than the mayor over this who is to be honest trying to honour his pledge to build 12 new schools in the most financially viable way. We know that money is tight in the city so personally I am surprised that more pressure is not put on st Julie's. And let's be honest the proposed site on the corner of menlove and beaconsfield will end up costing a fortune not least because of the new build, but also due to all of the additional highways work that will need to be done in that area - more money that the council doesn't have.

AnonymousJune 3rd 2014.

Sandra is 100% right ! Come on St Julies, show some community spirit ! Help the Mayor and taxpayers of Liverpool to solve this problem. Move to Parklands whilst a new school is built on your current site at Speke Rd.This is the easiest, safest and best value for money option. The Mayor is doing his best. Sisters of Notre Dame, you are part of our community, please agree to this and lessen the strain on Woolton.

AnonymousJune 3rd 2014.

The move tp Parklands would be good for Speke too. Give all the kids a bus pass and there will be no problem. The school claims that parents will take their children out of St JJulie's and move them to other schools if they have to go to Speke for two years. This is a bogus load of poppycock and the reluctance has more to do with snobbery on the nuns' part than anything else.

AnonymousJune 3rd 2014.

At last, common sense is rearing is far from ugly head. St Julie's could just walk into Parklands, and then go back to their beloved Woolton. Archbishop Blanche moved into what was Paddington Comp in a frankly, iffy part of the inner-city and the school has continued to thrive. Let's see those nuns on the run, to Speke.

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AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

So why did Blanche not accept the offer of going to a "brand new" school at Parklands. Most of the girls live in Woolton anyway. Give them bus passes, that sounds like a good idea. or is it snobbery????

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

Archbishop Blanch is an inner city school with pupils from all over the city many of whom from the north side would find Parklands difficult to get to, whereas St. Julie's pupils are Garston/Speke/Allerton.

So to SpekeJune 3rd 2014.

Take no notice of their blathering Joe and make them go there. Who is in charge here?

PeterJune 3rd 2014.

I believe that Gateacre Comp were told they were moving to a new school in Belle Vale....... Why can't st Julie's be told they are to move to a state of the art school in Speke .

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AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

Erm, that would be something to do with who owns the school and the land I believe. If the council dont own it...........

Clarence FrittonJune 3rd 2014.

When all we hear about is the closure of swimming pools in deprived areas, along with the loss of libraries and sure start centres and services for the elderly this is complete nonsense. The city is on the bones of its arse and there is a brand new state of the art school sitting empty around the corner from St Julie's. You could not make it up.

RosieJune 3rd 2014.

Does anybody know exactly how much Parklands is costing the tax payer?

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SandraJune 3rd 2014.

Yes, the mayor quoted at the meeting last Friday £3million for the next 14 years - quite staggering!

Pat BurnsJune 3rd 2014.

What’s wrong with Speke? There are a lot of good people in Speke who feel this area is being ignored, neglected and run down. We used to have a thriving social community in Speke. There were six pubs and six big social clubs. Now there is one pub and five small social clubs. We used to have two secondary schools in Speke, All Hallows and Speke Comprehensive, then there was one - Parklands and soon to be none. Here is an opportunity to put some life back into a community that needs hope even for a short time. Who knows the hope may grow. Menlove Avenue is chocablock at the best of times. Dropping kids off and asking them to cross this dual carriageway is like playing chicken and we all know the chicken will get caught eventually but in this case knocked down by a car. Parklands is a fine school and it is insulting that professional people (those that say they love teaching children) feel it is not an appropriate place to send their pupils.

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Flash harryJune 3rd 2014.

hear hear!

SandraJune 3rd 2014.

Based on falling pupil numbers attending parklands school, the education select committee concluded that the people of Speke were themselves not supporting parklands and were in fact choosing to send their children to schools elsewhere and therefore to keep the school open was no longer viable. Whilst we cannot disagree with this from a financial perspective, it is not the location of the school that makes the school as a previous comment has said. It is the ethos of the school, the head of the school, the teachers if the school - the culture of the school. My girls go to archbishop blanch and I would follow that school to any location.

ArchdeaconJune 4th 2014.

Hear hear! Derek Nimmo was from Speke.

MudmanJune 4th 2014.

St. Julie’s might well have an L25 postcode but it is in Speke Road in GARSTON, so much for their lah-di-dah airs and graces.

HadjiJune 4th 2014.

Surely Education Secretary Michael Gove will intervene here because nuns are de facto religious extremists?

Paulinepauline.roy1@talktalk.netJune 3rd 2014.

Yes, a building does not make a school, there is a lot more to it. My daughters had a really good education in an atmosphere of kindness and encouragement in an old Victorian building with outside loos which froze in the winter !

AnonymousJune 3rd 2014.

Should 1 school have to spend £3 million over 14 years, or equivalent pro rata over 2 years? How will that affect money that should be available to pupils?

AnonymousJune 3rd 2014.

I heard Archbishop Blanch were offered Parklands and turned it down. Maybe you should speak to the school and request that Archbishop Blanch goes there now. There is still time before they start building the new school on busy Smithdown Road

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John BradleyJune 3rd 2014.

It is a lot further from Blanch to Speke.

ArchdeaconJune 4th 2014.

Archbishop Blanch has always been a city-centre school: Greenheys Road, Grove Street and they took on the old Paddy Comp building when what was left of the Liverpool Institute was finally strangled at long last by the hostile City Council. What is particularly outstanding about Archbishop Blanch is that although it is a C of E girls-only school, it raised £570 for Movember... uk.movember.com/…/1450201…

Bishop GrosstestesJune 4th 2014.

St. Julie's, or to call it by its older name, Notre Dame Woolton, has always been a school of the southern suburbs so Parklands would more likely suit the school and its pupils. In any case the NIMBY "villagers" (ahem) are just being snobs who still think that Woolton is posh. It was, until around 1975...

Del InquentJune 4th 2014.

The Woolton NIMBYs probably think that the pupils of St. Julie’s are a lot of oiks from Garston. Perhaps they ought to study the criminal records of Woolton residents before they start casting aspersions on innocent schoolchildren.

AnonymousJune 3rd 2014.

Give all the kids a bus pass and there will be no problem.

AnonymousJune 3rd 2014.

Come on Woolton residents, show some community spirit!

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Marx N. SpencerJune 4th 2014.

Don't be daft - they all vote Conservative or UKIP!

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

Yes, just look at those faces.

AnonymousJune 3rd 2014.

Anyone reading these comments would certainly not want to buy a house in this area. As it stands now, it sounds like one of the most dangerous places in the city to live. If you have children you wouldn't look to live in this area for the fear of dangerous drivers everywhere. Maybe what this area needs is some traffic calming measures, such as those that are put into place when they build new schools.

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SandyJune 4th 2014.

It certainly is a dangerous place to put a school. Probably not one of the most dangerous places in they city, Anonymous, but a very dangerous place to site an entrance to a school where 2000 plus pupils can enter and leave. And there are no viable traffic calming measures that can be adopted which will mitigate against irate drivers late for work and stuck in traffic mixed with lots of teenage boys and girls trying to cross a busy junction. Look at Holly Lodge school and the accidents there if you want proof of this.

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

Gosh I had no idea the council had plans for 2000 pupils to come out onto Menlove Avenue. Wouldn't you have thought they would have used exits onto Woolton Hill Road and Aldbourne Close? Oh, is that what they HAVE proposed. Well that would mean there are 3 entrances, which would mean about 650 pupils out of each exit. I am not sure but Cardinal Heenan and Broughton Hall have over 2600 pupils. God help them!! How do they do it??!!

Mrs. GrahamJune 4th 2014.

Drivers have no right to be irate if they are late for work. They should get up on time and be grateful they've still got a job in Cameron's Britain. They have no-one to blame but themselves for being late.

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

I agree with Mrs Graham. Stop heaping the blame on children and sort out those bad drivers. They should be grateful for their jobs and be respectful of the life of children.

SandyJune 4th 2014.

So Anonymous, you don't think that the Menlove Ave entrance will become a bottleneck albeit with 3 other entrances? You are living in cloud cuckoo land or are totally naive. Or have a vested interest in the development? And naive doesn't quite describe Mrs Graham - it would be lovely if drivers weren't irate because they had no right to be irate; however life doesn't quite work like that....

Mrs. GrahamJune 4th 2014.

So it's all right for these selfish maniacs to mow down innocent children with their Audis and BMWs is it? Your sort should be locked up. You disgust me.

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

I can't believe that you think a bottle neck constitutes waiting an extra 60 seconds at the lights in the morning during a 30 minute busy peak!! Cloud cuckoo land indeed. Try driving along Queens Drive in the morning at this time, then tell me about bottle necks and congestion. Nothing so hypocritical as someone with a vested interest asking if someone else has a vested interest!! You probably don't have children or you would understand!!

SandyJune 4th 2014.

I actually have 3 children so I do understand! And that is why I am completely aware of how selfish some parents are who drop their children off at school. And also i am interested in where you are getting your data from - an extra 60 seconds waiting at traffic lights? Figures plucked from thin air! And Mrs Graham - "my sort" - what do you mean?! It is not alright for these maniacs to mow children down; it is reprehensible but it doesn't stop it happening sadly

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

so how much longer do you think local residents may have to wait at lights in the morning? More than 60 seconds? A minute and a half? 30 seconds? it certainly isn't much of a wait, if any difference at all. What is it that you have against girls education in this area. In a male dominated world why wouldn't you want the best possible school for these girls, next to the local Catholic boys school, just like Cardinal Heenan and Broughton Hall have. It isnt a complex matter..

David HunterJune 4th 2014.

Mrs. Graham is quite correct. Motorists get away with it far too easily, even when they kill. What we need to show reckless and irresponsible motorists is not a fine or a silly ban - that they ignore - we need to show them the iron fist in the mailed glove!

Susan CarmichaelJune 3rd 2014.

Why not the 'stayput' option ? Why uproot St Julies at all from its long established and popular location in the centre of Woolton Village ? A well planned programme of successive remodelling/ rebuilding with extra intensive construction during the holidays would enable this common sense 'win win' option ; this approach to upgrading and modernising to meet future needs is already exploited nationwide for many continuously used buildings. So why forcibly transplant 1100 girls and staff to a clearly not fit for purpose (traffic heavy)location and (steeply sloping heavily tree-ed) site with huge resulting extra 'abnormal' on- site and off site costs coupled with serious potential risks to pupils' safe arrival and departure ? What will be the potential impact on St Julie's future educational vision and its successful delivery if it is also to be summarily shoehorned into the proposed restricted building envelope ?

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John BradleyJune 3rd 2014.

That type of construction costs more. If the population of Walton wants to pay the extra fine, otherwise 2 years in Speke, with buses from the current site to temporary site. Problem solved.

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

I wonder if Susan has a vested interest in St Julies staying put and not going to a new school on Menlove Avenue. Anywhere, but not in my back yard. But of course, it is really JUST about childrens safety.

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

Woolton residents won't even support shops in Woolton Village, so why would they send their children to a school for St Julies in the former Parklands school in Speke. I wonder!!!! Feeling let down....

Mary PortarseJune 4th 2014.

So they can get the shopping in at M&S and Laura Ashley in the Speke Retail Park?

AnonymousJune 3rd 2014.

The plans for St Julie's new school on Menlove Avenue sound like a fantastic idea. Looks amazing! What a great site for the students.

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AnonymousJune 3rd 2014.

Thanks get the pupils to do this in 100 lines

SandyJune 4th 2014.

Do you work for the Council or St Julie's by any chance?!

JulianJune 4th 2014.

Ooer, "Menlove Avenue"!

Mr. HorneJune 4th 2014.

Bona!

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

Very swish plans, looks like the girls will get a fantastic new school. They deserve it! Come on girls..... we're worth it.

SandyJune 4th 2014.

Totally agree with Sandra et al about St Julie's calling the shots. Why are the school holding the city to ransom by insisting on moving to their site of choice when a perfectly good school lies empty. What a waste of public money. And an unpleasant whiff of snobbery to boot....

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Mrs RichardsonJune 4th 2014.

Apparently these children HAVE to be driven to school, according to the story. Perhaps Parklands is incompatible with their peculiarly special needs?

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

Oops! Bit of a vaux pas there Mrs R, saying the children have special needs. I expect that on reflection what you meant to say is that they are not peculiar in that they have the same needs as children of families living by Beconsfield, who are driven to their own school entrances by their hypocritical parents who complain when the same happens in reverse. Please do not try to pretend that they do not do drive by drop offs themselves and cause congestion and traffic problems when they take their own children to schools elsewhere. Or is that ok because those places don't have the peculiar needs of this 'special' area?

David HunterJune 4th 2014.

These people really make me sick.

Judith PattersonJune 4th 2014.

Its typical of the mayor, where theres money involved too bad about people and places.No surprise there.

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AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

You've never had to work to a budget then Judith?

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

It is the easiest thing in the world to criticise somebody who has to balance a budget and make unpopular decisions. People here could at least get their arguments in order. On one hand there are complaints about spending money unnecessarily, then complaints about selling off land for profit for the council. Make your mind up.

scouse690June 4th 2014.

I agree with Sandra. Parklands will continue to cost the tax payer a staggering £3 million , for the next 14 years (as confirmed by Mayor Joe, last week)!!! Yet the school will close. Rather than waste anymore money, surely this could be made a PERMANENT base for St. Julies? It is a modern and up to date building (with a few tweaks) I agree with all that said "a building does not make a school...the teachers and the Ethos, do". Also said was "improve the bus links", put on school buses as well as public buses. There is nothing wrong at all, with Speke. It is not a question of WHERE you are educated, but THE QUALITY of that education. Menlove Avenue/Beaconsfield Road is chaotic at the best of times. Don't forget that the Palmerston Special School is also at the junction there. As well as SFX further up, it is also a major tourist "stopping place" for Strawberry Fields. With the opening of the new Aldi on Gateacre Park Drive (this month) traffic flow will increase considerably more, than it is now. It WILL NOT be a great site for the students, due to the danger of increased traffic. It WILL BE a total waste of "our money", if Parklands is not made into St. Julies PERMANENT new home....

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AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

Keep up Scouse690. Your argument is so 2013! Palmerston want to leave Beaconsfield Road and go to a new school to be built in Aigburth. So, there would not be the "traffic chaos" that this school brings!

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

So, could Palmerston Special School go to Parklands instead?

scouse690June 6th 2014.

DID YOU READ MY POST ?Keep Up Anonymous, your comments are so 1913! The Palmerston do need to move....BECAUSE of the traffic chaos, already there! This is a school for "special needs children". So it goes without saying, that Parklands would be far too large! The traffic chaos is a combination of everything....The Palmerston is a fraction of the problem ....situated as it is, so very close to the lights. The problem is more for the Palmerston and is a safety issue. I would guess that you don't even use the roads involved. This is not only a major congestion problem....it is an immense waste of taxpayers money, to leave Parklands empty.....I REPEAT, please read my original comment!

AnonymousJune 6th 2014.

boring! nothing new here, just more NIMBYism. Try a new argument that somebody might listen to.

scouse690June 7th 2014.

Don't make me laugh! Anonymous...not NIMBYism at all! I don't live there....but have to travel through the area at numerous times of the day! You do not appear to be able to respond to the various observations and comments in my last 2 posts. Neither do you explain YOUR interest/connection in all of this! I would welcome constructive replies, rather than sarcastic comments.

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

PaulinePauline.Roy1 speaks fondly about her daughters time at school. However, I do not accept that she would have sent her children on a bus or driven them out to Parklands then. I expect she would have chosen a closer option like King David or Bluecoat or Broughton Hall !! But I do think that she would have been one of the people parking across driveways or diving in a fashion as described by other people here, as she would also have been a parent dropping her children off at school. I think there is a word for these type of people.

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AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

Maybe Bishop Grosstest and Del Inquent are right. These complainers are pretending to be better than others and holier than thou!I think we all know the real reason they are complaining about a girls schools coming to the area. Road safety? I DON'T think so... Snobbery? ABSOLUTELY. Just admit it, nobody is fooled by your arguments. It is as clear as day! STOP these hollow arguments.

Mrs. GoodJune 4th 2014.

Anonymous said: "I think there is a word for these type of people." Hear hear!!! There is but it is not fit to print here in case children are looking in!

Emma BJune 6th 2014.

We're talking about RC girls' education. So no, we wouldn't send them to King David or Blue Coat, quite apart from the fact that you can't just send them to either!

John BradleyJune 6th 2014.

All Faith schools are required to take a percentage of people not from the faith and I should imagine that a large portion of people at St Jules are there out of convenience rather than as a matter of faith. Best policy would be to end all religious indoctrination camps and help to end the bigotry they create.

AnonymousJune 6th 2014.

In Liverpool I think there are around 15 faith secondary schools. So, if you end them, then the city would have to build 15 new schools. If each school cost £20 million, that would be £300 million required to replace these schools. Not sure if you realised that faith schools are usually owned by the various religious orders? Great plan John. Well thought out, costed plan.

John BradleyJune 6th 2014.

That is simply not true, most, if not all, of the buildings are owned by the council. Which you would know if you had actually done some research.

AnonymousJune 7th 2014.

Thanks for the advice. Decided to follow that advice and research the ownership of the 2 schools being discussed here: SFX and St Julies. SFX is owned by the Brothers of Christian instruction. St Julies is owned by the Sisters of Notre Dame.

AnonymousJune 7th 2014.

Bigotry is the state of mind of a bigot: someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, evaluative orientation, race, religion, national origin, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, disability, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

John BradleyJune 7th 2014.

No SFX is a Foundation school and as such "all capital and running costs are met by the government". Jules is Voluntary aided school and "Local Authorities can help the governing body in buying a site, or can provide a site or building free of charge". So not much reaearch done really

John BradleyJune 7th 2014.

Bigot "a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who thinks that anyone who does not have the same beliefs is wrong" dictionary.cambridge.org/…/bigot…

AnonymousJune 7th 2014.

John you are missing the point. Both those schools are on land owned by the religious orders. If you want to end religious schools then you would need to either close the schools or find money to buy the land off the religious orders to keep the schools open if they have been funded by govt money. or they may not even have been funded by govt money. So where would the money come from to buy the land of all these religious schools if you wanted them to end?

John BradleyJune 7th 2014.

You haven't presented any evidence of who owns the land or on what basis it is used as a school. You seem to have a rather simplistic view of things like leases, covenants etc etc. Also there are precedents for dealing with religious orders and property and there are CPOs. Even beyond that land represents a reasonable investment so could be acquired by swapping some of the councils reserves from financial instruments to land. In the end getting rid of all faith schools would be a benefit worth paying for.

AnonymousJune 7th 2014.

Thanks for clarifying where you think the money to replace religious schools would come from. Council money!!!!

John BradleyJune 7th 2014.

If there was any cost and it wouldn't cost any it would just shift reserves from one part of the balance sheet to another. Anyway, closing down religious schools would be a matter for HMG not for the council, so it would be HMG money and there are precedents sent by Henry the 8th. Would at least stop the state paying for religious indoctrination, if you want your kids educated in superstition start your own schools and pay for it all yourself. You still haven't produced any evidence to back up your assertion that religious orders own the land, it that perhaps just a tenet of you faith?

SandyJune 4th 2014.

Of course there would be traffic problems, Anonymous! Simply taking Palmerston out of the equation removes a couple of hundred children (and you might want to check your facts as to whether palmerston want to leave Beaconsfield rd or are being made to leave). Adding in considerably more students from st Julie's will lead to traffic problems!

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AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

So Sandy you proclaim to know the FACTS about Palmerston moving. Or is this some more feeble GOSSIP that you are generating in order to create an atmosphere of smoke and mirrors, whereby nobody REALLY knows the TRUTH because your mates have told so may 'stories' that some people ACTUALLY believe it is true. So, come on Sandy, how do you know the FACTS about Palmerston moving to Aigburth. Do you have access to Governors minutes you want to share? A position in the council? Thought not!! More scandalous gossip. Please PROVE this not to be the case, or stop making such comments please.

SpokesmanJune 4th 2014.

It is plain that what Woolton is most in need of is cycle lanes, proper, wide, European-style cycle lanes.

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AnonymousJune 6th 2014.

Well done, love cycle lanes. I agree that cycle lanes would encourage a greater sense of care on the road, health, fitness, reduced emissions. Excellent idea Spokesman. The green agenda is very important to the future of this city. keep it up

AnonymousJune 4th 2014.

St Julie's is in Speke Road, Woolton, not realted in any way with Speke Road, Garston.

Mr BlurJune 5th 2014.

Confidential is the preference for the habitual ranter for what is known as (Parklands) And morning soup on Menlove Avenue can be avoided if you send the school straight to what is known as (Parklands) Joe's got brewer's droop he gets intimidated by the dirty PFI costs They love a bit of it (Parklands) Who's that gut lord dropping off their kids... you should cut down on your porklife mate... get some exercise [Chorus] ALL THE PUPILS SO MANY PUPILS THEY WON'T GO HAND IN HAND HAND IN HAND TO THEIR PARKLANDS

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AnonymousJune 7th 2014.

Completely brilliant

AnonymousJune 8th 2014.

Mayor Anderson has invited local people to a 'consultation meeting'. Will he be coming along to hear what they say, or to tell them what he intends to do? ... As Mayor I would like to invite you to join myself and Cllr Jane Corbett, Cabinet Member for Education and Children’s Services and Chair of the Schools Investment Project Group at the consultation meeting (details below). As part of Liverpool Schools Investment Programme, Liverpool City Council is proposing to rebuild and relocate St Julie’s Catholic High School to provide a modern, safe, high quality learning environment fit for 21st century education. Following recent consultation events in January and April, The City Council would like to discuss the latest plans and hear your views and comments on the proposals. If you are unable to attend the event, the presentation can be made available on request. Any further questions are to be sent to: bsf@liverpool.gov.uk Residents Consultation Meeting 12th June 2014, 6.30pm – 8.30pm Woolton High School Woolton Hill Road Liverpool L25 6JA

IreneJune 8th 2014.

On Thursday, June12th at 6.30pm at Woolton High School on Woolton Hill Rd Mayor Joe Anderson will be holding a consultation meeting with residents about the proposed relocation of St Julie's. All are welcome. Please come along and share your views about this issue which will have a devastating impact on this area if it is allowed to go ahead. Stand up and be counted. Tell others about this.

AnonymousJune 9th 2014.

The City Council is proposing to relocate St Julies to Beaconsfield Rd without looking at credible alternatives. Where are the minutes of the meetings to show that they have looked at all other options ? Why would they deliberately choose the most challenging, unsafe, most expensive site ? Yet another example of the council wasting taxpayers' money ! Parklands standing empty and costing us millions over the next 14 years and yet St Julies is to have a new school built at Beaconsfield Rd. Will that be the next white elephant ? The Mayor's legacy will be a neighbourhood destroyed and young people put in danger. What price his mayoral pledges then ? Mayor Anderson is destroying quality of life in our city. Is this really what he planned ?

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AnonymousJune 9th 2014.

Would be very different if it was the niorth end. Has Joe ever been to Woolton?

John BradleyJune 9th 2014.

There is nothing funnier than the entitled, mistaking their discomfort for the apocalypse.

FrankJune 13th 2014.

Looks like Mr Anderson ruled in the Woolton residence favour, way to turn down 8 million worth of investment in education in the area. St Julies site has to be sold or there is no money for a new school so the current site can not and will not be used. Parklands school is a ridiculous and completely impractical suggestion.

Mary SmileyJune 13th 2014.

Think you are all missing the point that someone needs to answer questions re Parklands and someone needs to make use of it! If the teachers are good the school will be good and will have good intake! Apparently intake at St Julies was 90 pupils less than it should have been in Sept 2013? Mr Anderson is winning all round! Divide and conquer! It is correct that the Beaconsfield site couldnt have taken two schools of this size! That would have been dangerous. He has cleverly moved the proposed site adjacent to St Julies, he will get the capital receipt for Beaconsfield and is proposing to get the capital receipt for St Julie's. A more acceptable solution would be if he gave all of the St Julies site back to green space or at least half of it maybe integrated with Woolton Woods - then people would think he was understanding. He also needs to do somehting with Beaconsfield Road now and the mini roundabout as an SFX boy is going to be killed there are still inherent problems and something must be done!

Mary SmileyJune 13th 2014.

So put it in black and white - he was getting proceeds of sale of one site, St Julie's and the capital receipt which he 'needed' now he is proposing to take 2 sites! Getting double what he thought! He is probably ecstatic! Why does he need so sell both? When he only needed the St Julies site for the new build revenue before? We should really keep the St Julie's site or at least a majority of it for green space. Dont sell off the family silver Joe! In an ideal world St Julie's would stay on site where it is and where it has been for circa 40yrs and sell Lower Lea site. Can't contractors do phased construction any more? There are office blocks built in Liverpool and Manchester on sites no bigger than a hanky! Yet they cant phase the construction here? Very blinkered! all with a reason!

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