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Exclusive: Court battle over Sefton Park music plan

'Life for residents will become unbearable'

Written by . Published on December 11th 2013.


Exclusive: Court battle over Sefton Park music plan
 

PLANS to turn historic Sefton Park into what has been dubbed the “UK’s biggest boozer” face a court challenge tomorrow (Thursday, Dec 12). 

Earlier this year Liverpool City Council's licensing committee approved an application for a full off- and on-licence in Sefton Park to cater for events of up to 39,999 people - applicable every day of the year. 

'The noise from this year’s International Music Festival - over four days - was horrendous'

But now Sefton Park Residents Association has mounted a legal challenge  in a bid to overturn the variation order that allows big scale events in the park. 

The hearing, at Liverpool Magistrates Court, is likely to last two days, is before District Judge Wendy Lloyd. The city council has engaged a QC as its representative. 

The council has formed a strategy to attract big scale events to Sefton Park, with talk of a permanent stage being constructed. It could see concerts and large scale events attracted to Aigburth and its Victorian green space. 

Today a spokesman for the residents’ association told Liverpool Confidential: “We believe the decision to grant this licence was wrong in a number of ways. We will be citing an 1890 order that imposes limits on activity in the park, and prohibits events on Sundays. 

We have always accepted some activity in the park, but in the past few years things have got out of hand, with noise and traffic chaos. People have told us they are selling up and moving out of the Sefton Park area because of the trauma they suffer by these increases activities. 

The noise from this year’s International Music Festival over four days in Sefton Park was horrendous and the council response was next year it will be “bigger and better”. 

Whenever there is a big event in the park it is though residents go into siege mentality mode. Ordinary everyday life goes out of the window. Essentially the council, with its decision, has turned all 235 acres of the park into an open air pub. 

 

Peace Of The Park Will Be Ruined, Say ResidentsPeace of the park will be ruined, say residents

Whenever there is an event it starts with road closures from around 6am, then come sound checks, parking chaos – often with driveways blocked, then the noise of the events. If it is the council’s intention to encourage more events, life for park residents will become unbearable. 

 

People moved to the area to be close to what is a beautiful park for them to enjoy.”

A Liverpool City Council spokesperson said: “The inaugural Liverpool International Music Festival was hugely successful, attracting tens of thousands of visitors, not just from Liverpool but across the world.  An independent report showed that 97 per cent of people enjoyed the event and the overall positive feedback we received was overwhelming. 

“We’re hoping for a successful outcome to the court case, which will be best for the city and the local economy.”

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109 comments so far, continue the conversation, write a comment.

Clark LaneDecember 11th 2013.

I think most current 'residents' moved to the area because they could buy out the locals for a song then make a killing on property prices.

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AnonymousDecember 11th 2013.

True.

John ShawDecember 11th 2013.

It's a park, not a venue or sporting arena. There are presently stadia, Aintree, arenas and theatres that are more than equipped to cope with any number of envisaged events, likewise they are licenced, policed with surveillance cameras and much more suitable for members of the public to access. This council will not be happy until they have created a fairground out of this beautiful park. They succeeded in siting a hot dog stall adjacent to the cenotaph earlier this year, sited a fair on the prom. Circus and other events visit annually, only for the resulting damage to be evident once they have departed. Leave it alone, it's managed quite successfully to remain a park for a considerable time.

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John BradleyDecember 11th 2013.

When it suits the NIMBYs Sefton Park is for the people of Liverpool but when those same people want to use it in a way that the NIMBYs don't approve of it isn't the people any more. The original plan had a Bandstand and concert area and as long as I can remember the park has been used for many things.

John ShawDecember 11th 2013.

There are lots of people who visit the park and are quite content for it to remain a park. It doesn't have to be transformed into pleasureland or anywhere as naff. As for events there are many as you correctly state, 40,000 people going on the lash would please 40,000 people. Perhaps it would not please the remaining 400,000 or so.

John ShawDecember 11th 2013.

You are quick on the uptake, however you fail to notice, that it is a minority of Joe's henchmen that are intent on replacing the Matthew St debacle.

John BradleyDecember 11th 2013.

No body is suggesting changing it from a park. It just that some people have a very narrow idea of what a park is and is to be used for. Perhaps 399,999 would not care and just avoid the park on that day(s).

Amos NonymousDecember 11th 2013.

"I'll drink to that"

John ShawDecember 11th 2013.

I concede that people are not all the same, nor should they be. What you advocate JB, would work, but I much doubt that the residents would take too kindly to vacating their homes just to accommodate Joe Anderson's capriciousness.

AnonymousDecember 11th 2013.

Typical of John Badley to stick his bleedin oar in. Perhaps he should be forced to live in the park when one of these noisy gigs is taking place. We built a soddin arena for concerts and noisy stuff. Parks are for walking, running, enjoying the great outdoors, just for a while escaping the din and noise of life. Sometimes Mr B you can be a bit of a twit.

John BradleyDecember 11th 2013.

So JS wants NIMBY rights to supplant everything else and anonymous just wants his way, but is to cowardly to even put his name to it.

John BradleyDecember 11th 2013.

Oh and by the Anon if you want the great out doors, it starts at Bank Hall station.

Amos NonymousDecember 11th 2013.

I think you misspelt "twit"

Amos NonymousDecember 11th 2013.

Oh by the way Anon, it might have even been the permanent way Anon, given JB's penchant for chuff chuffs Anon......Bank Hall is the gateway to the universe........or was it Blank All.

AnonymousDecember 11th 2013.

The Victorians held cock fights, hunted foxes, and held public floggings in Sefton Park,

Sefton ParkerDecember 11th 2013.

Don't understand why they need to build a stage when there is a perfectly good bandstand. If it was good enough for the thousands who attended Larks In The Park and the BBC gigs like Bow Wow Wow where the stage was built out onto the lake, why not the Latvian Wurzels come August?

Nev BannDecember 11th 2013.

I can see Sefton Park from my house and my entrance to the park is where the music festival took place. It did not disturb us at all. It was a massive success (especially Liverpool Philarmonic). The park was cleaned up well during the festival and afterwards. I saw no evidence of poor behaviour. In fact people were happy and joyous. Larry Nield often writes good articles about the local scene, but this was not to his high standards. I have no idea who the "residents" are and they don't represent me and I hope their case fails.

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AnonymousDecember 12th 2013.

What do you mean, "not to his high standards?" Because you don't agree with what's being reported? That says more about you, a one time Labour councillor, than anything else.

Francine PalantDecember 11th 2013.

Sefton Park is literally on my doorstep . I love the Park and go there every day. I think myself very lucky. The music festival was a change to my routine? so what? It was a resounding success. I expect the council to spend a lot of Liverpool citizens' money on maintaining "my" park, so how can I begrudge other people the use of the Park. I loved the Phil's concert. The rest was not my cup of tea? big deal! I walked out as one of the events was finishing: there was a sea of people leaving, from, all ages, all colours, all walks of life, all with huge grins on their faces. The park was quickly brought back to shape, and the wild life did not suffer. I am an active member of the residents association and we all felt proud of the music festival success. So stop wasting the City's money by taking the council to court. Live and let live!

AnonymousDecember 11th 2013.

This is totally wrong, it might disturb the executives in Sefton Park meadows when the flats are built. End this madness now!

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AnonymousDecember 13th 2013.

What would John Bradley say?

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 13th 2013.

Still waiting for good old Pope Joe to tell me my opinion old bean! puff puff trains! tally ho!

John BradleyDecember 13th 2013.

Good one Garry.

theresa GreenDecember 13th 2013.

Are you JB's altar ego? Will the real JB stand up...........Not like that........I meant on your feet.

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 14th 2013.

Who is Garry?? is he a friend of Joe Anderson?! has he said something bad about Joe Anderson should I kill him? I'm very powerful I have connections!

John BradleyDecember 14th 2013.

Yes perhaps you should.

AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

Yes, but who is Garry? I know a Scottish fella called Harry, but his name sounds like Garry in his stupid accent, then again he might be Irish or just pissed either way he can't say his own name. Could this be the Garry to which you refer John?

John BradleyDecember 14th 2013.

Well why don't you bring your mighty wit to bear and find out.

AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

How do wit and detective work equate? Oscar Wilde that well known detective.

Oscar ToscaDecember 14th 2013.

I'm just Wilde about Harry.....Garry........or Barry........Anyway my name is Oscar, and if there's anything you want, I'll be stood just over there.

John BradleyDecember 14th 2013.

I think the true scale of your wit is becoming apparent. www.thefreedictionary.com/wit…

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 14th 2013.

I agree with John! sorry Joe Joe! I mean don't hurt me Mr. Anderson it was an accident!

AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

It's in a free on line dictionary, it must be the absolute truth

AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

Who is Garry, anyway?

AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

Remember, all that glitters is not Garry. I'm just wild about Garry, and Garry's wild about me.

AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

Could this be Garry www.britishpictures.com/…/photo352.htm…

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 14th 2013.

BREAKING NEWS!! GARRY SIGHTED BEING BUNDLED INTO BACK OF OLD VAN BY THESE MEN www.radiotimes.com/…/webANXonlyfools.jpg…

John BradleyDecember 14th 2013.

Well there is an almost 100% chance it is not Garry.

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 14th 2013.

GARRY INTERNATIONAL MAN OF MYSTERY!

AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

Yahoo has better selection of Garrys than google www.masters-of-photography.com/…/friedlander_portraits_garry_winogrand_new_york_city_1957_full.html… What will John Bradley say?

AnonymousDecember 15th 2013.

Yahoo...for all your Garry needs.

Sefton ParkerDecember 15th 2013.

I know a Larry, and a Barry

Loan StarDecember 15th 2013.

Never mind Garry, It's Oscar I'm interested in. I think we once met in La Fosca, he's a Catalan camerero who's into arias, at least that's what I thought he said, you know how the Spanish roll their "R"s

AnonymousDecember 16th 2013.

Oscar is John Bradley. As for Garry.... Garry, Garry, Garry, he's not Dave Parry, it's a Garry world.

John BradleyDecember 16th 2013.

If I'm Oscar who is the 3rd man?

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 16th 2013.

Russ Abott.

John BradleyDecember 16th 2013.

I'll take that to your Alan Partridge any time.

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 16th 2013.

You're more Richard Madely.

John BradleyDecember 16th 2013.

Now you are just flattering me.

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 16th 2013.

Must be a nice change from having to do it yourself all the time.

Harry LimeDecember 16th 2013.

I'm the third man

Loan TsarDecember 16th 2013.

Sounds like that Oscar is a bit of a diva, Garry is obviously a divi. Is that the Harry Lime? Got to go I Hate Russian......Wonga Wonga Wonga I don't Wanna do the conga

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 16th 2013.

Harry, Garry, Gareth, Gad, Gadding,Bad, Bradley

AnonymousDecember 16th 2013.

Update on Garry, I know where he hangs out www.yelp.co.uk/…/garrys-lounge-lodi…

Theresa GreenDecember 16th 2013.

I don't wish to know that, but I can make an educated guess. That's the trouble with you two, your humour is located somewhere below the waist.

AnonymousDecember 16th 2013.

You've got a bad mind. Check the link, it's a pub, not his trousers. Women... I don't know...

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 17th 2013.

Theresa Green....Green, Garry, BRADLEY

Theresa NotsogreenDecember 17th 2013.

Alas, No. I'm no near as charismatic or as talented as the leg end JB.........What D'ya mean I spelt it wrong, that's what you wrote. There's no pleasing some people.

Sweeney ToddDecember 17th 2013.

Is Garry baldy Badly?

Harry LimeDecember 17th 2013.

Or half man or half biscuit

OscarDecember 17th 2013.

I'd risk it for a biscuit

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 17th 2013.

John Bradley's more of a (balding) ginger nut

OscarDecember 17th 2013.

Ginger nuts, now your talking

GarryDecember 17th 2013.

He's not the sort of person you should be hobnobbing with.

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 17th 2013.

That's a bit rich (tea) coming from you.

AnonymousDecember 17th 2013.

Joe Anderson, Half Man, Half Doughnut. And Garry, is that really you? What about our baby?

GarryDecember 18th 2013.

No no it is nae me......Baby?.........I left it on the step when I went for a power driven doughnut.

Amos NonymousDecember 18th 2013.

I suppose you'll have to put that one down as a No no Anon.

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 18th 2013.

without JB's approval I question if this commenter is the real Garry though he probably is JB

GarryDecember 18th 2013.

No comment

AnonymousDecember 18th 2013.

"No no it is nae me......Baby?" It could well be Harry the Scotsman then. I thought a deep fried mars bar would be more the order of the day.

Gazza from GovanDecember 18th 2013.

Haute cuisine perhaps accompanied by the ubiquitous chip.

Lord SnootyDecember 18th 2013.

I recall when our house was flooded, Mater floated past on the kitchen table, and I accompanied her on the grand piano...............Nuts...........Whole hazel nuts........The sweaty socks take them and they cover them with CHOC JOCKs

AnonymousDecember 18th 2013.

This string is about as funny as a course of chemotherapy. Well done dickheads!

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 18th 2013.

You read it all dickhead lol.

AnonymousDecember 19th 2013.

"This string is about as funny as a course of chemotherapy. Well done dickheads!" Oh dear, Garry's got the hump!

Gone but Not for CottonDecember 19th 2013.

Perhaps Anon is right chaps. We may have slightly overegged it, just a tad, I shall slink away full of remorse, never to darken this portal again. .....Tarrah for a bit.

Martha FitzsimmonsDecember 20th 2013.

God another alternate JB identity.

AnonymousDecember 12th 2013.

What a stupid, pointless, pathetic comment from the council's no doubt highly paid spin doctor, completely missing the point. Tens of thousands went to the park .... 97% raved over it.....precisely you dingbat. Wouldn 't you be pissed off if tens of thousands of people suddenly happened on your doorstep. Liverpool Labour won 't be happy till they've dragged south liverpool down to the gutter level of the north end. It's the opposite of social cleansing, perhaps social dirtying

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Sifta SamDecember 12th 2013.

You do the good people of this city a disservice with divisive comments as such, I can well understand your anger, but castigating "caulk fenders", is not the way to go.

AnonymousDecember 12th 2013.

No one seems to know anything about this so-called Sefton Park Residents Association. And since its member(s) prefer anonymity, that's hardly surprising. Suspicion falls on a small bunch of wealthy folk in posh pads on the Park's perimeter. They certainly don't represent me - and I am a long-time Sefton Park resident. There was nothing wrong with this summer's music festival. Noise was never a problem; behaviour was fine too. If, in years to come standards decline, then we'll all kick off. But for now, easy up - it went well

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Amos NonymousDecember 13th 2013.

It's nice to know you prefer anonymity also.

theresa GreenDecember 13th 2013.

"Wealthy folk in posh pads on the parks perimeter". You're about to get more if Joe is to be believed, or would he prefer wealthy scallies. I don't think he's much bothered any way, providing he gets what he wants. He's unlikely to be inconvenienced by any by product of his actions in Old Swan

Annette CurtainDecember 16th 2013.

'Residents Association' indeed! Theresa's quite correct. There was one in Canning Street that trousered payments from film companies using it as a location but this Residents' Association didn't actually represent or tell the people living there who were the actual ones being inconvenienced, being woken at 2am on a worknight by gunfire, being told what to do, etc.

Amos NonymousDecember 16th 2013.

I'd of thought that was par for the course being awakened by gunfire in Canning St.

Annette CurtainDecember 17th 2013.

Not in the days before everything was put for sale by the Council and housing associations, the prices rocketed and the moneyed riffraff moved in.

BrinsonDecember 13th 2013.

I'm a Sefton Park resident and I thoroughly enjoyed these events. I felt proud to live here and proud that we can play host to such a great, positive atmosphere. I take it only residents who are opposed to these concerts are allowed to join this SPRA? I'm a resident, I'm all for these concerts. Am I allowed to join, please?

Mickeydrippin'December 13th 2013.

Good to see that not all residents of Sefton Park are against the music festival. No doubt the so-called Residents Association are the same people who are against the meadowlands sale and are looking for any way to have a go at the Council.

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Amos NonymousDecember 13th 2013.

Well Nev Bann and Nick Anonymous Small seem to favour it

AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

As a resident of the park I would like to have my say here. At no point in the past have I complained about the noise and disruption that comes form various events. We have the food and drink festival, the Oye Festival, numerous bandstand concerts, disruption to our access and noise during road races and fireworks, halloween parades etc. As a park resident I think it is fair to say we knew of this when we moved here, and yes it can be a little annoying but it is accepted. The new issue here is the idea that the park can hold 40000 people and a blanket license is necessary. Comments like 'But I don't really envisage the numbers going into double figure' (Joe Anderson, Liverpool Echo) are rubbish, we have already had reports to the contrary, 'Tens of thousands of people partied in Sefton Park and the Pier Head during the weekend' (The Echo). Had the license been left as it was there wouldn't have been this much of an issue, the fact is the council have issued themselves a blanket license so massive events can be held with few further restrictions. The noise levels have already rocketed, for 3 days over Oye, and then 4 days over LIMF many residents reported their windows rattling for 6-7 hours per day. The new license means this could happen every single day of the year!! Sefton park is not designed for this, and is a RESIDENTIAL area!!!! The idea that the 'biggest music festival' in Europe can be held there is absurd.

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AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

Maybe it's time for new windows

AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

'maybe it's time for new windows' - is the council going to pay for soundproofed windows for everyone around the park? It will be quite expensive, given we are in a conservation area and have to follow certain rules. Maybe if the council decrees it we can ignore the rules again...

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AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

There will double glazing in the new executive homes, so they'll be OK and Joe Anderson can rest easy as he continues to cosy up to be business

George FormbyDecember 14th 2013.

They wont be there for long Pal.

AnonymousDecember 14th 2013.

Beat them to death with your little stick of Blackpool rock! Go George, you rock!

AnonymousDecember 17th 2013.

Ah yes, double glazing, that well known indicator of the aristocratic classes! One day, it will be mine

George FormbyDecember 17th 2013.

History tells us that windows were once subjected to tax. So much so, that bricked up windows were quite evident in some Georgian houses of yesterday. Perhaps we could learn lessons from our forefathers and brick up our spare bedrooms.

Annette CurtainDecember 17th 2013.

Actually because Georgian houses had classical proportions and symmetrical designs, a lot of the bricked up windpws never were actual windows. There might have been an internal wall or staircase on the inside but if the external design required the appearance of a window in a particular place to balance the design, then a 'bricked-up' window with lintel and sill would be inserted.

GeorgeDecember 17th 2013.

You see I wasn't to know that. I haven't been hanging around as long as you have..................You old bat.

Annette CurtainDecember 17th 2013.

The real George Formby treated ladies with respect. And it's hardly Mastermind stuff, it's common general knowledge.

Curt EntwitcherDecember 17th 2013.

Is this misogynist, ageist ignoramus bothering you, miss?

Bling CrosbyDecember 17th 2013.

Make your mind up woman, is it common knowledge or general knowledge. It is the real George Formby, he lives next door to me, I often see him cleaning his windows.

Blundell SandsDecember 17th 2013.

One can call people from the safety of ones own home, whilst cowering behind brocade drapes, just step outside and say that. Ageist indeed.

George FormbyDecember 17th 2013.

I'm quite sure the erudite Mr Bradley will be only too happy to provide evidence of such buildings from his extensive portfolio.

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AnonymousDecember 17th 2013.

Are you saying John Bradley is a know all by any chance?

GeorgeDecember 17th 2013.

I was merely implying that JB has an extensive portfolio, or so legend has it.

John BradleyDecember 17th 2013.

My Gallery is indeed well hung. commons.wikimedia.org/…/File:1_Trueman_Street,_Liverpool_2.jpg…

George FormbyDecember 17th 2013.

Nice one JB, and here's me with my little ukulele in my hand

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