Israeli links to Liverpool Biennial challenged

And critising Israel when it behaves like it is, is not Anti Semisism, blindly supporting Israel is fascism.

Hear hear Bradders

As Israel is carrying out acts of genocide against Arabs (who are a Semitic race) then technically Israel is anti-Semitic.

genocide? that's a bit OTT and delusional isn't it.

It's what the Americans call 'shooting fish in a barrel'. Same principle as the Nazis and the Warsaw Ghetto.

Godwin's law has been invoked, hurrah!!!

Thank goodness for Godwin's Law for it provides something to say for the smug idiots who otherwise have nothing to contribute. One can only imagine their excitement when the opportunity arises.....Ooh ooooh Godwin's Law...I must....now how do you spell invoke....... Nobody's allowed to say anything now....it's the LAW.....(self satisfied nod to themselves).

No doubt some American inanity for the amusement of onanists.

If it was going to be invoked it would have nee for Nick Cowans original comment.

What you have just said is extremely racists as it assumes that all Palestinians support the actions of Hamas. Also keep in mind that all Israels do military service, the reserve is vast and they don't live apart from the rest of the Israeli population so they are just as much using the population as human shields.

conscription and national service are categorically not using the population as human shields and that's a crazy thing to say. Hamas like to put their rocket launchers near to homes and schools because a) they know it makes Israel less likely to attack them before the rockets can be fired and b) they are happy to trade their civilians lives for global headlines which generate the type of support that LFOP offer.

What it means is those Hamas rockets fall on areas containing members of the Israeli military. Same justification as IDF uses to attack Palestinian land. Israel has systematically and cynically taken Palestinian Territory. If any surround country had taken a slice of Israeli territory the IDFs attack would be relentless and would not be confined to the taken land.

The other point, of course, is that it isn't necessary to take Hamas' bait. Especially when it is so ineffective. In the normal course of things terrorist activities would be handled by the government of the state where they were committed, but Israel has repeatedly said it will invade if the Palestinians declare a state. Israel has deliberately created a situation where there is no effective state in the west bank and Gaza and then has punished the residents for this lack of a state apparatus. If Israel over the last 60+ years had been very restrained and not responded the death toll on both sides would be far lower. The US and the west, with their unconditional support for Israel have removed the necessity of getting on with its neighbours, so the likes of Netanyahu can play up to their local right wingers. The closest analogy that I can find is the crusader states funded and armed by Europe and that didn't end well.

I read it and its an opinion piece and is in no way a balanced view.

Erm Phil Hayes ended up in a court room and pleaded guilty to a racially aggravated public order offence. It was not clumsy it was RACIST. Major difference.

By accident non, not deliberately. Should Israel just do nothing while it is attacked?

Yes. Doing nothing would be the best policy and would lead to the fewest deaths of Israeli's in the short term. Yes Israeli is killing children deliberately. You cannot lob a bomb into a populated area and claim not to be doing so.

Seriously John over a thousand rockets fired at a country and you think the government can seriously do nothing? Just take it on the chin and not say try to destroy the rocket launchers or the stockpiles of rockets? If it were the UK on the receiving end would you be happy for our government to do nothing?

How many people killed by these rockets? So really you don't care how many Israelis are killed in the tit for tat exchanges, it is all about maintaining the princely honor of the state of Isreal. The IRA killed far more than hamas, there were no bombing raids on the bog side.

Hamas would kill a lot more if it wasn't for the Israeli and Egyptian security fences and border controls plus the constant high state of alert. How many are killed really isn't the point the country is under attack it has to defend itself and protect its citizens. I really don't know how many the IRA or Hamas have killed but one death from terrorism is too many, governments most fundamental duty is to protect its people.

Israeli would kill a lot more people if it wasn't for international pressure. So it's not about people being killed, it is about the pride of state, so you're making it clear that the deaths of Israelis are not the problem for Israel but not being able to stop the missiles is. You don't care about Israeli deaths or anybody else that is quite clear. If taking it on the chin for a while is they way to peace it is clear that you aren't prepared to take it, you more interest in short term posturing than in a long term body count. What you sound like is someone reading from a book of laws about how princes and chieftains should act.

you completely misunderstand me and what I'm saying. The israeli government must protect its people and therefore must act when it has rockets fired at the country at civilian areas. Its not a book of laws its what people elect their governments to do - first and foremost is to protect them. To suggest I don't care about death is crass in the extreme, if I didn't care about this why would I post here?

So you are saying it is not about the number of Israeli deaths, because I made the clear point that in the long the run the number of Israeli deaths would be minimised by taking it on the chin, you say that is not an option Israeli must react. In doing that it is quite clearly not defending it is people, but take a course dictated for other reasons. Doing what a party must do to get into power is not the same as doing the best to protect citizens.

how can you say Israel is not defending its people it is targeting Hamas militants who have fired hundreds of rockets at Israel over the last few weeks, that is an act of self defence. And you point about pacifism being the long term answer can only be the case if both sides adhear to it, when they don't the other side simply cannot sit there an take it. There have been ceasefires in the last few days, each time Israel observes them and Hamas doesn't, how much of that do you have to take before you act?

Israel's actions will result in more deaths of Israelis therefore it is not protecting them. It is acting out of pride and arrogance. It hasn't stopped the rockets and doesn't look likee it will as a stratergy it has failed year after year, that is if it is a stragery to bring peace. I never said pacifism. I never said no action. Israel has not observed the cease-fires any more than Hamas, both sides ignored the UN last call. Israeli has deliberately destroyed the control structures in Gaza, doing this makes it impossible for the center to enforce any ceasefire. In military parlance what the Israelis have done is go for a decapitation strike, the is a well documents and well explored stratagem and its outcomes well plotted. It is obvious that in the situation the consequences are lack of control.

Tanks against civilians? Aircraft with guided missiles against homes and hospitals? Hardly a fair fight is it?

Its not fair it is the means that israel has at its disposal to defend itself and it is Hamas that chooses to put its military kit in civilian areas.

There are no non civilian areas of Gaza, it is full, the Israelis even attack the beach.

And even the zoo, killing many of the animals. Still they MUST have been militants and terrorists otherwise action would have been taken against mass-murdering Israel.

Rubbish! Justify your hiarious statement!

Nice attempt at changing the subject.

and you can't even work out how to use the system properly.

concentration camp? extermination? that is some heavy rhetoric. And completely untrue.

Has anyone checked this anons IP? www.al-bab.com/…/israel-losing-the-plot.htm…

Why check my IP? Just because we don't agree. There is room in the world for more than one opinion and sometimes John yours might not actually be right.

No, because someone is organizing a propaganda campaign and you seem to be parroting it.

I could argue plenty of what you said is propaganda but I don't I respect your view and argue against it. because I don't agree with you I must be doing something sinister or represent some kind of conspiracy? paranoia John, perhaps a trip to the doctor is in order...?

You comment anonymously, as what seems to be a new user, who has not commented here before. Then you go off with the MH comments. Think that shows your level of respect.

and flechette shells. SImilar to grape shot used against massed rank before WW1. In WW1 they need something deadlier. www.independent.co.uk/…/israelgaza-conflict-israeli-military-using-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html…

why? how does that help.

How about we all remember that some people thought the world was flat? It's about as relevant

It is relevant because Israeli was not built on the moral high ground but on a mound of corpses.

We have but Israel has not that past it is dwelling in is about 340AD and it like the British Empire at the height of its power telling the colonies to stop living in the past and get used to being colonies.